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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: a review of killer 7 (***1/2) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spot on.

Although I think I do like the game. I haven't finished it yet, mind you, yet I'm awfully close. And. Well, I feel like it's the sort of videogame I've always wanted, deep down inside.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would praise the review, yet that would be redundant. I enjoy what you write by default.

a few details are curious. the rare white-flash-pause-gunshot may be unique to the PS2 or japanese version. the air conditioner exists for the possibility that the candles are lit incorrectly, and need to be extinguished. things like that , whatever.

I've also been reminded strongly of Eternal Darkness while playing Killer7, as both games are obsessed with presentation and cleverness, and not terribly interested in complex maps or game systems. the problem with ED is that it isn't that clever, and hasn't anything very interesting to present us with. Killer7 is the opposite, overflowing with truly good ideas, honest about its simplicity of play, and so bold that it really is unpredictable and disturbing.

the story is so close to being comprehensible, and yet... it seems deliberately elusive of logical understanding. I'm a huge Lynch fan, so of course I love it for this.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what this says about me, yet only problem with Killer 7 is that it doesn't get crazy enough, and that it misses too many opportunities to, you know... do things. Given it's presentation and play system, I mean.

Which isn't really a problem.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was kind of waiting for Killer 7 to do something completely and utterly insane like, "change discs before time runs out or your save data is erased!"

It could've been a little crazier, I agree.

Eternal Darkness is a love letter to H.P. Lovecraft, who's like, my second favorite author of all time. So I uh, like that game quite a bit. Of course, Killer 7 is in many ways a videogame interpretation of Seijun Suzuki's yakuza movies Tokyo Drifter and Branded to Kill.

The banner above the Killer 7 review on IC is wicked cool. Who made that?

Edited for being an idiot.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shattered Fixtures wrote:
Of course, Killer 7 is in many ways a videogame interpretation of Seijun Suzuki's yakuza movies Tokyo Drifter and Branded to Kill.

Really. Are you talking about, say, specific stylistic cues? Or do you just mean it's really arty and nihilistic in a gorgeous way?

This is starting to sound a lot like a game I've always imagined.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The end of this sentence is Rock And Roll: "I say it is the future of videogames because it represents a certain kind of game-making spirit that the world has yet seen only so few times as to count on three fingers."

You know, I hadn't even gotten a half a pargraph into this review before I decided to buy this game, and that's what Rock And Roll is!
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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really. Are you talking about, say, specific stylistic cues? Or do you just mean it's really arty and nihilistic in a gorgeous way?

This is starting to sound a lot like a game I've always imagined.


It has that gorgeous arty nihilism that's found in a Suzuki movie.

And the use of color, and how it takes a foreign concept (to normal people, at least) like professional killers, and manages to make it even more insane, well...Phoenix Tetsu would fit right in.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, July 20th 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ, I'm just gonna have to buy it.
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(You do realize that the same man who produced Kirby, Masahiro Sakurai, produced this, right? He also worked with Tetsuya Mizuguchi on Meteos. Curious.)

How did Sakurai have a part in killer7? I cannot find any references to this.

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PostPosted: Thursday, July 21st 2005 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because you probably were not given this information: the Heavens Smile are real, as quoted by 51 Suda.

Anyways, after playing the game I can tell in your review that you did not like it. This review seems very different from most of your reviews, yet I can't tell why.

Also reading this review makes me sad for people who had to play the PS2 version of this game.
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PostPosted: Thursday, July 21st 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one wonders why they even bothered porting it to the PS2, with the sales being so bad in Japan anyway. most interested parties in the states got it for the cube also, I'd imagine. oh Japan, ignoring fresh, inspired works also rated highly by famitsu... ahem, vagrant story...

I'm curious about the differences in how the ghost-speak was handled in each language. in the english version the robotic voices are made mostly unintelligible under layers of distortion, and the subtitles are written in a deliberately odd style. I guess the japanese subtitles were also written with not quite normal syntax?

on the topic of how crazy it was. it wasn't trying to do the same kind of blatant "look how far I'll go, aren't you freaked out now" thing as Eternal Darkenss or MGS2. Killer7 is much more finely crafted, more subtle in its subversiveness. that it didn't ever fall into the trap of "postmodern wackiness" makes what it does do infinitely more fascinating.
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PostPosted: Thursday, July 21st 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole idea of forced inventiveness through less horsepower is an interesting one. Is it the future? Who knows. yet at least for me, some of my favorite experiences in the current Gen have been less than technological wonders. Amplitude, Viewtiful Joe, Katamari and Disgaea.

Personally, I think that in the long run, there's going to be room for both. There's the market for both. So for the next gen, what I'm predicting is that people will either have a 360 or a PS3 AND a Revolution. Nintendo positioning themselves as the "AND" company is very interesting. It gives them a lot of ammo to compete, even on the higher level. Besides, I think that art design trumps mere power any day of the week. Twilight Princess looks better than all of the PS3/360 games I've seen to date.
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PostPosted: Thursday, July 21st 2005 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shapermc wrote:
Also reading this review makes me sad for people who had to play the PS2 version of this game.

What's the difference between the two?

Because, uh, I thought I bought the Gamecube version then Gamestop surprised me by sending me the PS2 one. Which it turned out I'd ordered accidentally because I had no notion that a PS2 version was even out yet.
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PostPosted: Thursday, July 21st 2005 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the main difference is in the loading times, which is sort of a problem considering how frequent they are. you don't really notice a second or two on the cube, yet...

also, jerky framerate in some areas, less complexity in the lighting effects, abridged reload animations, things of that nature. just secondhand information, I haven't played it. nothing big, yet enough little things that might combine to detract from the mood of the game.
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PostPosted: Thursday, July 21st 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aderack wrote:
Shapermc wrote:
Also reading this review makes me sad for people who had to play the PS2 version of this game.

What's the difference between the two?

Because, uh, I thought I bought the Gamecube version then Gamestop surprised me by sending me the PS2 one. Which it turned out I'd ordered accidentally because I had no notion that a PS2 version was even out yet.


Actually, I've played both, and the difference in the PS2 version is . . . really, really minimal. All I can get (my TV is tiny as hell anyway) is that the loading times are a bit longer. Which doesn't matter because the loading screen is voodooistic.

I kind of like it.
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PostPosted: Thursday, July 21st 2005 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veen wrote:
the air conditioner exists for the possibility that the candles are lit incorrectly, and need to be extinguished.


oh, come on! the fuckin' things are NUMBERED! who's going to light them incorrectly!

i TRIED to light them incorrectly, and they all extinguish automatically. so!!
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haha. on 'deadly' difficulty the numbers are removed, and the clue is the number of little platters on the shaft of each candleholder. which I guess someone might miss at first. ho ho ho! in the us version at least, you have to use the AC to reset them. serious business.
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PostPosted: Thursday, July 21st 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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haha. on 'deadly' difficulty the numbers are removed, and the clue is the number of little platters on the shaft of each candleholder. which I guess someone might miss at first. ho ho ho! in the us version at least, you have to use the AC to reset them. serious business.

Bloodthirsty does the same thing almost. It is much more subtle. I lit them in the order I remembered from my first run through the game and it was incorrect. I then realized that was what the A/C was for.
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That's a little disappointing! I imagine that A/C bit would be a lot more fun if it had no purpose whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Tuesday, July 26th 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

108 wrote:
aderack wrote:
Shapermc wrote:
Also reading this review makes me sad for people who had to play the PS2 version of this game.

What's the difference between the two?

Because, uh, I thought I bought the Gamecube version then Gamestop surprised me by sending me the PS2 one. Which it turned out I'd ordered accidentally because I had no notion that a PS2 version was even out yet.


Actually, I've played both, and the difference in the PS2 version is . . . really, really minimal. All I can get (my TV is tiny as hell anyway) is that the loading times are a bit longer. Which doesn't matter because the loading screen is voodooistic.

I kind of like it.


It might depend on how old your PS2 is.

Anyway, play Silent Hill 4.
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PostPosted: Monday, October 31st 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gilbert Smith wrote:
That's a little disappointing! I imagine that A/C bit would be a lot more fun if it had no purpose whatsoever.


So it could be the singularly useless object in the game?
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