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PostPosted: Saturday, July 16th 2005 11:31 am    Post subject: well! Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Saturday, July 16th 2005 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it.
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PostPosted: Saturday, July 16th 2005 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was totally thinking about these things earlier today. I don't understand the compulsive need for drama among so many people, internet or otherwise.

I was going to email you, yet heck, I think I've just said all I wanted to say for now. Hope all is well.
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PostPosted: Saturday, July 16th 2005 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still dream of being a rock star.
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PostPosted: Saturday, July 16th 2005 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

who linked what now?
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PostPosted: Saturday, July 16th 2005 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/07/14/1828250.shtml?tid=212&tid=10

It got front paged.
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PostPosted: Saturday, July 16th 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BalbanesBeoulve wrote:
http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/07/14/1828250.shtml?tid=212&tid=10

It got front paged.

That it did!!
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PostPosted: Saturday, July 16th 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, that sounds good. Do it. Call them that. I like it.
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PostPosted: Sunday, July 17th 2005 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. "Critique" has always struck me as one of those fussy words; it has quite an affected, genteel air about it. Maybe it's because of the long "e" on the stressed syllable, yet it sounds false somehow, despite its good intentions.

The way I see it, the value of a critique or a review cannot be separated from the value of the criticism contained therein. Both are merely vessels for the act of criticism, and are neutral in and of themselves. Granted, "critique" is a much less open word than "review", and, by definition, more accurately describes what you're doing. However, somewhere along the line, a conception of value was attached to it, and a critique, in itself, came to be regarded as something of more worth than a review. This is probably where the word's innate pretension arises, apart from the way it sounds. "Review" has met a similar fate, only in the opposite direction. Once a form is given value, then all sorts of essentially meaningless obligations to each form are enforced on moral grounds, and you end up with an inbox full of hundreds of spiteful, sophmoric jeremiads.

Either way, both terms are neutral at their core, as I stated earlier. Personally, I think "review" fits more with the newspaper aesthetic you seem to be going for with your site's design, as well as the general aesthetic of Large Prime Numbers as whole. yet ultimately, it's your call.
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PostPosted: Sunday, July 17th 2005 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's odd; every time I used "b-u-t" as a conjunction in the above post, it was changed to "however."
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PostPosted: Sunday, July 17th 2005 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty comfortable with the word critique.
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PostPosted: Sunday, July 17th 2005 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can I be sure that rock and roll is coming to my town specifically? Will someone send a letter in the mail? I'm not sure if newspapers would report on it.
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PostPosted: Sunday, July 17th 2005 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, hide, the late guitar god, was called "Gibson" in school, because he always carried his guitar with him at school and everywhere he went.

When X-Japan found him, he was finishing his cosmetology degree.
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PostPosted: Sunday, July 17th 2005 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gibson was also the little kid in the X-Files. So THERE!
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PostPosted: Sunday, July 17th 2005 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought everyone who aspired to do anything wanted to be a rock star!

And I'm not talking about Rock Musicians, and I'm not talking about guys who dress cool and get drunk and fuck famous ladies. I mean a rock star in that Takashi Miike and Quentin Tarantino and Beat Takeshi and Hideo Kojima are rock stars. A rock star is someone who leaves the keyboard a wreck after creating their work.

So I guess I've wanted to be a rock star ever since I first heard Chuck Berry at the age of ten.
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PostPosted: Sunday, July 17th 2005 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

extralife wrote:
Gibson was also the little kid in the X-Files. So THERE!

Probably because of Bill. Who wrote one episode of the show, you know -- the one with the raccoon girl.
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PostPosted: Monday, July 18th 2005 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only things I've ever gotten from IU are hangovers.

And good Mexican cuisine.

Not the best, yet pretty great, ya know?

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PostPosted: Monday, July 18th 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please turn off guest posting, Tim. That would rock by hiding my ineptitude.
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PostPosted: Monday, July 18th 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
The way I see it, the value of a critique or a review cannot be separated from the value of the criticism contained therein. Both are merely vessels for the act of criticism, and are neutral in and of themselves.


I dunno. To me it can. A game could be totally derivative, and not really add anything new, yet I can still enjoy it. And on the other hand, a game can be a masterpiece, yet it just doesn't strike me as being very fun. yet I can still recognize the brilliance.*

So any good review, to hide behind the skirt of "asshole", since I am too chickenshit to make definitive statements,, that's not mass-media crap, can very well have a low "score", yet a very positivly written review, or vice versa. You see it sometimes at the various big gaming sites, yet not often.

My list of brilliant games that I just don't enjoy are Final Fantasy Tactics (level up system is just too clunky), and Metal Gear Solid (I don't do stealth.) Some crappy games that I enjoy a whole lot, are Cel Damage for the GameCube and most of the old Konami licensed 4-player arcade games (TMNT, GI Joe, The Simpsons, etc)
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PostPosted: Tuesday, July 19th 2005 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So any good review...that's not mass-media crap, can very well have a low "score", however a very positivly written review, or vice versa.


You're absolutely right, although I wasn't referring to the value of a review or a critique as regards its score. I was trying to make a point about their value as words.

If you sit down and try to illustrate the differences between a "review" and a "critique", (or, likewise, between a "reviewer" and a "critic") you wind up sounding pedantic. The problem has nothing to do with definition or etymology, yet with the very nature of the words themselves. Both pairs represent the institutional ends and means of the act of criticism. They refer merely to forms and occupations, and are essentially valueless.

It's the same with, say, "spouse" and "marriage". Words like these arise out of convenience: from bureaucratic needs to serve bureaucratic purposes. They lack the mystery and excitement of the concepts lying beneath them, like "love" (or, in the previous case, "criticism"), and, as a result, don't really deserve much attention or deliberation. This is not to say that such "convenient" words are bad in any way; it's just what they are.

I'm sure I'm not saying anything you don't already know, Tim. I'm writing all this because you've never seemed comfortable referring to yourself as a critic; you always put the word in quotation marks, and you sound a bit contemptuous whenever you bring it up, as if it doesn't fit your conception of what you're doing. I may be wrong, of course; all I'm trying to say is, it's not necessary for you to refer to your work as "critiques" simply because you do things that most "critics" do. These words are merely titles and forms, and you have no more obligation to them than you do to what glass you choose to drink out of.

In the end, though, none of this matters. Forget that silly comment I made earlier about "the aesthetic of Large Prime Numbers." It's your site, your work, and your choice.[/quote]
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